And by feats Beyonder would totally curbstomp Glory. 2. Beyonder wins against Manhattan. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Not only that, but the mirrors contained nothing more than aborted universes. 9 years ago. Could not. Overthinks_Questions • 1 yr. I didn't say he was TOAA himself *face palm* BEYONDER was TOAA before TOAA existed BEYONDER was him (TOAA) in his own. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. They have been - however, the influence of the Phoenix now extends to the realm of the Beyonders, which is the same realm where the Beyonder from the 80s is from. He is another universe, pre-big bang. level 2 · 1y. 2. Pr beyonder, ToAA, the presence, HoTU thanos. 1. elaine ftw. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. Next panel PR Beyonder moonwalks onto the scene. Even a fight between Dr Manhattan and Franklin Richards, Manhattan out 9/10 lose. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. Aside from them, PR-Beyonder is the strongest being in marvel. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. Even The. Also, I'm using PR Beyonder before he was retconned into a cosmic cube. 0. 0. Follow 88. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. %Pr "this is not pre-con beyonder, it's cosmic cube being beyonder and a full power PF would be white crown who both these people can't beat 14 years ago. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. . He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. 1 year ago. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. the only times I see pr beyonder being Blinked by accident is by those above the endless. Now picture a third Brother that is so big, the Amalgam Brothers are 2 drops of water next to the ocean. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. I forget her name. 4 years ago. Their mere Taikyoku trashes on both Molecule man and PR Beyonder. 5. Perfect teamwork. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). He is overrated which makes people think he is this untouchable character but he would get smoked by LT. Not only that, but the mirrors contained nothing more than aborted universes. And matched Mxy at one point. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. No. Beyonder was either just omnipotent or the closest to it that anyone has gotten without being it. PR Beyonder solo with utter ease. Follow 15044. 801. The Beyonders that killed all the Celestials then proceeded to shit on all the cosmic beings like The Living Tribunals. [deleted]@Pr_Beyonder said: " can't seem to edit my post anyway Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Spectre vs Storm and Batman is probably the biggest spite Hate to hate on bugs bunny but i've seen 5-D imps do. 15. what happened in the last issue of Secret Wars 2 is not a defeat. He's nowhere near the same ballpark as PR Beyonder. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. PR Beyonder - rendered 3 dimensional and was upset by it and confused by it once he left his Beyond realm and entered Marvels multiverse. ago. His power was millions of times greater than all of Marvel combined. There's a few tossups though, I think the Bleach verse has the speed and skill to pull out a win here or there. Example: I have taken the hill and have the death star watIt can and has been argued that PR Beyonder exceeds TOAA in power, whereas the HotU apparently. Supposedly it is equal but opposite to the Presence. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. ". So I thought I'd try to level the playing field. PR Beyonder shrugged of a shot that "would have slagged a few million entire dimensions" fired by the only other dude would could have leveled such a thing (PR Molecule Man). PR Beyonder was also a beast, without equal that was ever created orignally in it's existence (by Marvel). She would stalemate the strongest nigh-omnipotents like PR Beyonder, EDG, etc. Mxyzptlk. ReplyFor this fight: PR MM was written to be above any entity from Marvel Ominverse, except PR Beyonder of course. 0. R4: Mr. Forum Posts. So by definition, above any DC character except the equivalent of TOAA (The Presence. Protege wouldn't have been able to copy Beyonder's powers unless he allowed it. She/Her. Followers. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. Follow 6024. @Prince CortSether said: Assuming PR Beyonder in this thread stands for Pre-retcon like it usually does. u/nullfather can attest to that. 4 years ago. Follow 334. Followers. During Secret Wars 1985 the Beyonder wanted Rachel to destroy the M‘Kraan Crystal, which would erase the multiverse from existence. Michael and Lucy. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. This is the original seven and the battle takes place onWhat characters in the Marvel Universe could defeat Michael Demiurgos?Even though Pr Beyonder was published/written by Marvel he was not meant to be a Marvel entity, but an entity outside of the Marvel Actuality - in essence his own Actuality. " @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Lucifer is stated to be second ONLY TO THE JEWISH GOD (Yahweh). master. @laflux said: MOM. Gokuisthebest. "You'll notice every cosmic being/entity in there, from the LT to Eternity. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. Elaine seems to stomp everyone else, but can she defeat PR Beyonder? Nihilist. Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is not), this still puts the Beyonder above Spectre, who’s above Mxy. Pre-retcon versions of Beyonder and MM. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. 11,059. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. Gen. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. COIE fully powered anti monitor was the entire DC multiverse, his reality warping and. #23 Edited By MrDirector786. Adm1ralSnackbar. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. His weakness is a lack of understanding of. The first thing here is this is only a character. In your opinion, what is the most impressive feat that any character from history has ever done. @claymore1998: Not once was PR Beyonder stated to be second only to TOAA. The guy could probably trick PR Beyonder into. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. Pokergeist. , but, outside of those and omnipotent characters (like TOAA, The Creator), she beats pretty much anyone. R1: PRB toys with Class 1-A, turning Bakugo into fireworks, Mineta grapes, Tsuyu a real frog you get the gist. Who do you think is the strongest in Marvel? Who do you think is the strongest in DC? If they fight who will win???Sure, baby 400 tonner mark LOL, also he made a weird noise just as PR Beyonder made a noise when hulk slammed him. Has this been done before? the Search function is screwing me over if so. Destroying the metaverse, which is stated to be. 11 years ago. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in. Forum Posts. He was a way wanked character. If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. There's a LOT of weird hax in Bleach, not even including Aizen. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. 0. Doctor Manhattan is one of the most formidable beings around but his powers are all based on what it is possible. The Empty Hand blinks PR-Beyonder off the comic book page if he so desires and that is before he made the Oblivion Machine. He is talking about TOAA, not PR Beyonder. Molecule Man. In the Presence's case, Perpetua can create and destroy multiverses, The Judges are above her and the Presence is above them both. PR-Beyonder easily, He was (literally) the multiverse outside of marvel, the beyond realm, everything was him and he was everything basically. 4 years ago. FollowComposite Spidey is powerful but gets pushed aside first I’d say, even wit the powers of the Beyonder race. #12 Edited By Montaq. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Beyonder solos. Based on physics, molecules, space and time. 4 years ago. PR Beyonder>PR MM>LT. Beyonder was the one above all before TOAAPre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. PR Beyonder absolutely evaporates John Constantine from existence, then brings him back, only to evaporate him again. Warlockmage. Roshi in a heartbeat. Yeah but I mean the presence is "generally. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. PR Beyonder. This group is a joke compared to Celestials. PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. Reviews. This puts Beyonder at LT+ with MM a close second, followed by the Beyonders and HOTU. Forums. Best Answer. for PR, i'm more in line with thinking it's going to be a fight you can't imagine. -5. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. Edit: Oh yea, pretty sure that Oblivion is the one that. TR was created by this. 8 years ago. PR beyonder can call upon the other beyonders as well to help if he needs it. 63 results. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. PR Beyonder is literally beyond the abilities of all things within the Marvel-verse combined. That was Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Posts. PF wont last 1 minute in the fight. So adding that power to the PR Beyonder powered Victor vs IG and CC Thanos makes this a stomp is Dooms favor in my opinion. The Molecule Man and Galactus that Spider-Man defeated with the powers. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). London, UK. Manhattan's league. 11 years ago. TOAA is above all. Battle 1SpidermanBatman Captin America Deadpool Storm Magneto Cyclops Wolverine Kitty Pryde Jean Grey(without PF) Juggernaut Red Hulk Savage Hulk Grey@Pr_Beyonder said: " Did Lucifer make an Dc's appearences? or is Vertigo accounted for when refferencing DC(I know they're the same company:P)? " Lucifer made 2 cameo appearances in the third. Minor nitpick. Forum Posts. 7. It has been shown that in Guardians of The Galaxy (1990) #49-50 that The Living Tribunal has judgement over the Beyonder, the same Beyonder people consider to be the PR Beyonder (PR = Pre-Retconned) which iirc takes place around the same time in Fantastic Four (1961) #319 or at the very least has similar continuity. PR Beyonder by feats and by on-panel dialogue. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. Yes. Pre-retcon versions of Beyonder and MM. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. The Beyonder can take on Galactus and Superman isn't as strong and he would lose. #6 Edited By icecream1991. 2. • 1 year ago. Victory by permanent death or erasure. And pr beyonder was never the writer, stop the cap. PR Molecule Man. Wiki Points. 9 years ago. And the beyonders are destroying the entire Multiverse with no opposition,so they have no equal either. They might ruffle his soul-glo hair though, which wouldn't end well for them. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. Beyonder doesn't stand a chance, Beyonder is a little germ compared to the thought robot, and it would instantly get immune to beyonder reality warping. Holo-Man • 3 yr. There no need to insult. Originally posted by Air Legend Beyonder in a curbstomp. 5 years ago. Also, what would you rank him as? A. Celestials > Post-Retcon Beyonder > Phoenix Force. The Beyonder can take on Galactus and Superman isn't as strong and he would lose. #23 Edited By MrDirector786. #1. PR Beyonder (even when PR) was below full omnipotency, he got tricked by Doom and that pretty much gives it away for his omnipotent powers that should have included omniscience. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. The PR Beyonder saw the multiverse as a. Another statement made about. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesIt could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. 0. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. u/nullfather can attest to that. The deciding factor imo is that Lucifer is a bloody genius. No chance of being omnipotent. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. ago. Random encounter. Bait? 1 year ago. Representing Marvel:ThanosDr DoomPre-recton BeyondeSorry Merc. Follow 8935. 5. Follow 3935. Posts. 10 months ago. Martian (Martian Manhunter) 3. Omnipotence and omniscience. #1 Edited By bluepride1234. When picturing PR Beyonder's power I always use this analogy: Imagine the PR Amalgan Brothers, you know, the guys that made LT and Specter look like ants. 13 years ago. And,DC cosmology is encompassed by the story of Superman CAS embodies. He was much, much stronger than fundamental forces of the universe such as Galactus, Entropy, Eternity, etc. is TOAA, or at least part of him. Forum Posts. M. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Forum Posts. . The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. @majestic99. It's pretty much PR Beyonder , LT & HOTU Thanos vs Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy & COIE Anti Monitor , with a small assist from the rest of their teams . 8551. HOTU Thanos. PRB represented the combined power of an entire multiverse, one that was so large it made. I don't think Living Tribunal was there, neither was oblivion. Lord Urizen. They are not the same character. The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. LT, Multi-Eternity, Death, Galactus etc. PR Beyonder was the most powerful entity sans TOAA in the marvel multiverse for a time, he was pretty much able to do whatever the hell he wanted, telling The Living Tribunal to fuck off included. The thing is , Beyonder shrugged off a blast that "would have destroyed 1 million dimensions". Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. "@Pr_Beyonder: michael created the but lucifer gave it form, basically its like michael has the universe creating energy but lucifer can manipulate that energy into things,. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. Followers. New Comics. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. The Overvoid could be the Beyond-Realm before PR Molecule Man created a pinpoint in the Beyond-Realm to the Earth-616 universe. In fact, God Doom, who possessed. BEYONDERGOD. Originally, the Beyonder was the supreme being of another reality, dragged into the Marvel Multiverse by a failed. Well, uh. Especially. The Two fight in the beyond realm. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. i don,t have a pics but i do no some facts that are apparent: 1 the phoenix force has on. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D. He could quite literally blink Dr Manhattan out of existence. 2 years ago. Follow 23177. All are at maximum power fight is to the death or ko. Who wins? & who are each U's Omniversal beings? If someone does DC, I'll then do marvels to show there superiAnything they can do the PR beyonder can do if not even do better. User. What we know about Mark Miller's Marvel 1985 is that he. Wiki Points. Bleach should lose in nearly everything. vs. Victory by permanent death or erasure. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. To make it a shorter list, Beyonder's presence threatens the whole of the Marvel multiverse, and he sweeps aside the Living Tribunal, Galactus, Doom; everything in it basically. Of this, The Beyonder is the Supreme Being of that Outerverse, which is orders of magnitude larger than the Infinite Multivwrse. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. No offense man, but Johnny is right on the fact that PR Beyonder is = TOAA. Round 3 and 4: Same as round 1 and 2 without Infinity Gaunlet or Heart of the Universe. But tbh I think Lucifer is just a smarter fighter. Doctor Doom can steal/absorb power from PR Beyonder, Galactus, Asgardians, Nightmare, Life Force (Reality warping from HoM) etc but couldn't defeat Onslught? That is inconsistent. . Im suprised that PR Beyonder isnt here. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). 63 results. ReplyOkay so i want to go to war with the JLA and I'd like to build a team from Viners to do so. Forum Posts. also, according to the bible, he can be killed, as the incarnation of Jesus, with a few spear pokes and soem crucifiction. 313. He's more PR Beyonder level imo. He couldn't erase Death. Marvel - Living Tribunal, PR- MM and Beyonder, HoTU MAYBE DC-Fully Powered Spectre, CA Superman, Mandrakk, Nix Uotan Marvel- Multi-Eternity? I don't know a lot about Marvel cosmics. We're fighting the Guardians now the new ones (Hal, Atroticus, Lareeflezz, Sinestro, Carol, Saint walker, Indigo 1) Atroticus is Blood luInhuman BeyonderPost-Retcon Molecule ManLiving TribunalOblivionGalactus w/ Ultimate NulifierMad Jim JaspersHeralds of Galactus:The Fallen OneSilver SuThe Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. 313. Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". 6 years ago. Weakest character that would beat him for a majority is PR Beyonder. When picturing PR Beyonder's power I always use this analogy: Imagine the PR Amalgan Brothers, you know, the guys that made LT and Specter look like ants. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. I am guessing since you said The Beyonder rather than A Beyonder you mean PR Beyonder, in which case he stomps. MM solo's. Molecule man, PR beyonder, post retcon beyonders, oblivion, one below all and many many more. The Beginners Guide To Comics:. he would get tricked out of his powers without having a sure fire way of getting them back like he did with Dr. Whats the Greater Force of Power? COSMIC? or MAGIC? you be the Judge. He was much, much stronger than fundamental forces of the universe such as Galactus, Entropy, Eternity, etc. (The bKorvac wields Power Cosmic. Forum Posts. Just wanna point out, nexus beyonder is a thing, the goblin queen merged with beyonder corpse and gained part of his essence. His. It was obvious there that the Pre-Retcon Beyonder would absolutely ra-pe a 100% Galactus. Beyonder is the bigger god. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. PR Beyonder stomps this team. The closest I can think of are Lucifer Morningstar and/or Michael. The character plays a more antagonistic role in the 1985 sequel, Secret Wars II, in which he takes human form to learn about desire but threatens to destroy the multiverse out of increasing frustration. 5. And PR Beyonder isn't omnipotent either and TR is in a completely separate cosmology created by Grant Morrison with an over monitor and his monitors as angels by Grant. this may get ugly,good match up imo though. Well, since the Beyonders are just a part of this multiverse whereas PR Beyonder was the entirety of a multiverse bigger than the MU, no. edit2: One big gotcha I should mention. Lucifer and Michael are powerhouses but so is PR Beyonder. PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings. Doctor Manhattan couldn't really affect the Beyonder with any of his powers while the Beyonder can break the laws of nature and. So you cant say ToAA > Pr Beyonder. While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. PR beyonder. KingOfAsh. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Anime/Manga TeamSuper Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Elder God Demonbane, Giorno Giovanna (Gold Experience Requiem), Majin Dark Schneide. 9 years ago. @Pr_Beyonder: We Never saw it's limits, But Aang used it to completely seal away phoenix lord Ozai's Fire bending and made it so he "could never hurt anyone ever again. Apr 2014. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. If Iron Man can. ultimatewarrior123. Gen. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Brainiac is a hive consciousness that. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPR-Beyonder being from outside of the Living Tribunals domain (whoch he has ultimate judgement over) was really his only weakness. Forum Posts. " @Silver2467 said: "The two fought before. Doom with Beyonder's powers was afraid to use even half of it, as he worried it would destroy the universe. Yes he is, I don't expect you to read comics to know that. Wiki Points. Wiki Points. #9 Edited By Supreme Marvel. EDIT: About Beyonder being gullible and "getting his power's stolen". also i've read that suggsverse is basically a troll comic. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. Forum Posts. LT gets rekt by beings above multiversal power, Dax Mandrakk was going to eat all of creation, including everything outside the multiverse that made the multiverse look miniscule. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space,. PR Beyonder face tanked an attack that could destroy a billion dimensions. Followers. When a guy who can repair the entire multiverse with. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. And even then some endless beat pr beyonder. Marth Kent rolls up a newspaper and hits him makes him do. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. His will is law. Forum Posts. Couple of things; 1) It's a bit disingenuous to insinuate that I'm claiming that Flash has no limits. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. My gut is Monarch?Stomp. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. Dr Manhattan has the power to control matter as well as subatomic perception and control. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. Lol good joke about Lucifer beating CAS. 0. Lucifer's power is stated to be infinit, and he is virtually omnipotent. m outperformed beyonder,, And in Alan Moore’s watchmen, dr. It's more like PR Molecule Man was in a unique situation to fight Beyonder because Molecule Man's powers were derrived from PR Beyonder's Dimension. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off.